{"id":319,"date":"2010-11-15T12:15:53","date_gmt":"2010-11-15T12:15:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.the-finance-zone.co.uk\/?p=319"},"modified":"2010-11-15T12:15:53","modified_gmt":"2010-11-15T12:15:53","slug":"banks-contemplate-deal-to-reduce-bonuses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/the-finance-zone.co.uk\/index.php\/2010\/11\/15\/banks-contemplate-deal-to-reduce-bonuses\/","title":{"rendered":"Banks contemplate deal to reduce bonuses"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Britain&#8217;s biggest banks are in talks about collectively reducing the amount they will award in new year bonuses.<br \/>\nBBC business editor Robert Peston said serious negotiations about the &#8220;thorny&#8221; issue were ongoing under the umbrella of the British Bankers Association.<br \/>\nOne participant suggested total bonuses could be cut from \u00a37bn to \u00a34bn, but accepted such a figure would still attract criticism from politicians.<br \/>\nA senior banker stressed there was no guarantee of a &#8220;workable agreement&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We are talking to each other about making some kind of joint statement about bonuses that would demonstrate that we are reducing the amount we are allocating to remuneration this year,&#8221; the banker added.<\/p>\n<p>With the rest of the economy undergoing belt-tightening measures and banks still being accused of not lending money to small businesses, the bonus issue will be monitored closely when it crops up in the new year.<br \/>\nBusiness Secretary Vince Cable has said banks could face more taxes if they paid out &#8220;outrageously large&#8221; bonuses.<br \/>\nOne of the great paradoxes about all of this is that ministers would love us to agree to cut bonuses, but they&#8217;re powerless to stop us being prosecuted under competition law\u201d<\/p>\n<p>One participant in the secret talks told our correspondent: &#8220;What&#8217;s the most we could achieve? Right now the expectation is that banks in the City will pay out around \u00a37bn in bonuses.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Maybe we can cut that to \u00a34bn. But although that would be a huge reduction, \u00a34bn is still a big number &#8211; and we&#8217;ll still face attacks.&#8221;<br \/>\nOur correspondent says the talks themselves may be counter-productive as the banks could be seen to be colluding on a competitive issue and could therefore be prosecuted by the Office of Fair Trading.<br \/>\n&#8220;One of the great paradoxes about all of this is that ministers would love us to agree to cut bonuses, but they&#8217;re powerless to stop us being prosecuted under competition law,&#8221; one banker said.<\/p>\n<p>However, British Bankers&#8217; Association insisted that there were no negotiations under way.<br \/>\nIn a written statement it added, &#8220;It is no secret the major UK banks &#8230; have sought for some time to get an international agreement on bonuses.&#8221;<br \/>\nThe BBA believes that the UK has the toughest regime for bankers of any G20 country but is, &#8220;well aware of the public view [on bonuses] and will take this into account when bonuses are decided.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The statement went on to say, &#8220;Right now, speculation about the size and the issue of bonuses is just that &#8211; speculation.&#8221;<br \/>\nAny cap on bonuses could lead to top banking talent relocating to other financial centres where there are fewer concerns about big pay, says our correspondent.<br \/>\nBritish banks are said to be irked that Wall Street is resistant to the idea of a mutual agreement on restricting bonuses.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s no chance that the big US investment banks will follow our example, which means that business and good people could leave London for New York or elsewhere, if we&#8217;re seen to be paying less than the market rate,&#8221; one banker said.<br \/>\nThe total size of the bonus pool on Wall Street for 2010 performance is expected to be about $20bn (\u00a312.4bn), or about 80% greater than the expected London bonus pool.<\/p>\n<p>The estimated figure for City bonuses this year is already sharply down from the \u00a311.6bn awarded at the height of the financial boom in 2007.<br \/>\nIf this figure falls further to \u00a34bn, as suggested, this would mean a drastic reduction in tax revenue that goes to the government.<br \/>\nThe Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) estimates that the tax man will lose about \u00a31.8bn in revenue.<\/p>\n<p>Douglas McWilliams, chief executive of the CEBR, said that the City financed a major part of public spending in successful years.<br \/>\n&#8220;Seeing the banks attempting to drive a coach and horse through competition law to pay their employees below the market norm should cause sensible people to get worried,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<div id=\"_mcePaste\" style=\"position: absolute; left: -10000px; top: 0px; width: 1px; height: 1px; overflow: hidden;\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><strong><span style=\"font-size: 24pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">ating deal to reduce bonuses<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">Britain&#8217;s biggest banks are in talks about collectively reducing the amount they will award in new year bonuses.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">BBC business editor Robert Peston said serious negotiations about the &#8220;thorny&#8221; issue were ongoing under the umbrella of the British Bankers Association.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">One participant suggested total bonuses could be cut from \u00a37bn to \u00a34bn, but accepted such a figure would still attract criticism from politicians.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">A senior banker stressed there was no guarantee of a &#8220;workable agreement&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">&#8220;We are talking to each other about making some kind of joint statement about bonuses that would demonstrate that we are reducing the amount we are allocating to remuneration this year,&#8221; the banker added.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">&#8216;Big number&#8217; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">With the rest of the economy undergoing belt-tightening measures and banks still being accused of not lending money to small businesses, the bonus issue will be monitored closely when it crops up in the new year.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">Business Secretary Vince Cable has said banks could face more taxes if they paid out &#8220;outrageously large&#8221; bonuses.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">One of the great paradoxes about all of this is that ministers would love us to agree to cut bonuses, but they&#8217;re powerless to stop us being prosecuted under competition law\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">End Quote Banking source <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">One participant in the secret talks told our correspondent: &#8220;What&#8217;s the most we could achieve? Right now the expectation is that banks in the City will pay out around \u00a37bn in bonuses. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">&#8220;Maybe we can cut that to \u00a34bn. But although that would be a huge reduction, \u00a34bn is still a big number &#8211; and we&#8217;ll still face attacks.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">Our correspondent says the talks themselves may be counter-productive as the banks could be seen to be colluding on a competitive issue and could therefore be prosecuted by the Office of Fair Trading.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">&#8220;One of the great paradoxes about all of this is that ministers would love us to agree to cut bonuses, but they&#8217;re powerless to stop us being prosecuted under competition law,&#8221; one banker said.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">However, British Bankers&#8217; Association insisted that there were no negotiations under way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">In a written statement it added, &#8220;It is no secret the major UK banks &#8230; have sought for some time to get an international agreement on bonuses.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">The BBA believes that the UK has the toughest regime for bankers of any G20 country but is, &#8220;well aware of the public view [on bonuses] and will take this into account when bonuses are decided.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">The statement went on to say, &#8220;Right now, speculation about the size and the issue of bonuses is just that &#8211; speculation.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">City exit <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">Any cap on bonuses could lead to top banking talent relocating to other financial centres where there are fewer concerns about big pay, says our correspondent.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">British banks are said to be irked that Wall Street is resistant to the idea of a mutual agreement on restricting bonuses. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">&#8220;There&#8217;s no chance that the big US investment banks will follow our example, which means that business and good people could leave London for New York or elsewhere, if we&#8217;re seen to be paying less than the market rate,&#8221; one banker said.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">The total size of the bonus pool on Wall Street for 2010 performance is expected to be about $20bn (\u00a312.4bn), or about 80% greater than the expected London bonus pool.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">The estimated figure for City bonuses this year is already sharply down from the \u00a311.6bn awarded at the height of the financial boom in 2007. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">If this figure falls further to \u00a34bn, as suggested, this would mean a drastic reduction in tax revenue that goes to the government.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">The Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) estimates that the tax man will lose about \u00a31.8bn in revenue.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">Douglas McWilliams, chief executive of the CEBR, said that the City financed a major part of public spending in successful years.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: normal;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;\">&#8220;Seeing the banks attempting to drive a coach and horse through competition law to pay their employees below the market norm should cause sensible people to get worried,&#8221; he said.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Britain&#8217;s biggest banks are in talks about collectively reducing the amount they will award in new year bonuses. 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